Sexonomics: Odds of Divorce

I was accused of understating the risk of divorce, to which I gave an off-the-cuff calculation that by controlling a few factors in your spousal selection you could probably lower the statistical probability of divorce to less than 10%, but I said I’d look into it more, to give a more accurate response. So, here I’m going to find a bunch of statistics concerning factors of divorce, so you can learn how to lessen your odds of divorce.

Here’s the characteristics of a woman and the odds of her ending up divorced:

Age of first sexual experience (p.10):

>18: ~32-38%
17-18: 47%
15-16: 59%
13-14: 72%
<12: 82%

Number of prior sexual partners (p.18):

0: 20%
1: 46%
2-4: 56-60%
5-15: ~70%
16+: ~80%

Age of First Marriage:

<18: 48%
18-19: 40%
20-24: 29%
25+: 24%

Time of first birth (p. 16):

Before marriage: 67%
0-7 months after: 59%
8 months after: 32%

Education (IQ correlate) (p. 16):

Bachelor’s: 22%
Some College: 51%
High School: 59%
< High School: 61%

Race/Ethnicity (p. 16):

Asian: 31%
White: 46%
Hispanic: 47%
Black: 63%

Parents (p. 16):

Two parents: 42%
Non-intact family: 62%

Religion Raised (p. 16):

Catholic: 47%
Protestant: 50%
Other: 35%
None: 57%

Religion (GSS):

All Christians:41%

Active Evangelicals: 34%
Non-active Evangelicals: 54%

Active Mainline Protestants: 32%
Non-active Mainline Protestants:42%

Active Catholics: 23%
Non-active Catholics: 41%

All non-Christians:48%
No religious beliefs: 51%

All non-Christian religions:42%
Non-active other religions: 48%
Active other religions: 38%
Jewish: 39%

Cohabitation (p. 18):

Did not cohabitate: 43%
Cohabitated with husband before marriage: ~55%

Effects of Wife’s share of total income on divorce risk (p. 9):

0-20%: 1x
20-40%: 1.39x
40-60%: 1.62x
60-80%: 2.12x
80-100%: 2.19x

Income Quartile (p. 10):

Lowest: 1x
2nd: 0.87x
3rd: 0.86x
Highest: 0.92x

Looking at all this, it’s easy to see the two best determinates of her divorcing you are her education and whether she has had sex prior to marriage.

A bachelor’s degree is a 40-point decrease in the odds of divorce over a high school graduate.

A women having sex with one other partner is an instant 25-point increase in the odds of divorce, with another 10-point drop for a second partner, and another for a fifth. Related to this, her having sex before age 18 is another major risk factor. Marrying her before she’s 20 is also a risk factor, but not as great a one as her having had sex with someone else; if the choice is between a virgin under 20 and older non-virgin, the young virgin is less risky. Do not marry a slut.

Religion is important, but the most important part is less what religion, but rather how devout she is. An actively religious couple is generally a 20-point decrease in the chance of divorce than a non-active couple.

Marrying an Asian is a 15-point decrease in the odds of divorce. Marrying a black was the opposite.

If she had an intact family, that’s a 20-point decrease in the risk of divorce.

If you marry a virgin bride who’s over the age of 20, has an intact family, a college degree, and is a devout Christian, the chances of divorce are very low. If she’s also Asian, they’re even lower.

Also, make sure you earn a lot more than her, don’t be poor, don’t cohabitate before marriage, and don’t knock her up until marriage.

I can’t calculate the exact numbers by calculating all these odds together because a lot of these positive qualities overlap, but I consider myself justified in estimating, that the type of women I plan on marrying would have a statistical likelihood of divorcing me around 10%.

A 10% chance of divorce, even a 20% chance, while still higher than I’d like, is a risk I am willing to take.

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Note: most of these probabilities are for not being divorced at the 20-year mark, some for the 10-year mark. So, some of the numbers may be higher over a lifetime, but I would estimate not overly much; likely not more than 5 points or so.

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Here’s a divorce probability calculator to look at if you’re interested. According to the calculator, here’s the score on the test the kind of woman I want to marry, -56, and for myself, -76. Both had the same explanation:

Very Low Probability
Congratulations. You’re amongst a demographic of people that have the highest long term marriage success rate. What that means is that based on the factors that you indicated, and if there are no major changes in your lifestyle and that of your spouse, the chances that you will ever get divorced are far less than average. Does that mean you don’t need Divorce Insurance because you’ll NEVER, EVER get divorced? No, it simply means that based on the 20 factors we know have a significant impact on the outcome of marriage, you scored very well. However, people change over time and life has a way of creating unexpected turns in your path so insurance against the unexpected is always a wise choice if it’s in your budget. In any event, we wish you the best of luck!

That seems to be an acceptable risk.

Also, you can get divorce insurance? Might be something to look into for those considering marriage, but worried about divorce.

43 comments

  1. Also playing a part in the divorce risk, but not something which has likely been statistically measured, is how masculine the man is and how feminine the woman is. Closely related would be Red Pill/Blue Pill knowledge. I would think that if you screen your potential wife carefully, and use the Red Pill to avoid killing her attraction, that the odds of divorce would be far lower than 10%.

  2. Thanks for the breakdown. Really great to have all the independent factors on hand in a factual breakdown of how important they are.

    Now I just need to find where all the Asian virgin Catholic women are hiding….

  3. Reblogged this on 3rd Millenium Men and commented:
    One of the best all time Manosphere posts. It brings together the statistical information about a lot of the topics we regularly speak about. It highlights the key criteria in the reliability of women we want to marry to ensure our marriages have the best possible chance of succeeding. The crux:

    If you marry a virgin bride who’s over the age of 20, has an intact family, a college degree, and is a devout Christian, the chances of divorce are very low. If she’s also Asian, they’re even lower.

    Also, make sure you earn a lot more than her, don’t be poor, don’t cohabitate before marriage, and don’t knock her up until marriage.

  4. I’ve got all those going for me, except for the Asian one. This doesn’t mention anything about husbands’ statistics, but you probably don’t care as much about those. Great post!

  5. “If you marry a virgin bride who’s over the age of 20, has an intact family, a college degree, and is a devout Christian, the chances of divorce are very low. If she’s also Asian, they’re even lower.”

    First, is this supposed to be… Funny? Bc it is. I means it’s all true just I mean writing style wise. I haven’t read enough to know if that’s your thang.

    Funny. It says birth 8 mos after marriage was lowest rate which kinda means she was (what my mom always says there is no such thing as “a little bit pregnant”). Did i read that wrong?

    Cohabitation. This is why I can’t friggin win (and detest being called a feminist). I’m totally for waiting till marriage to live together . The stats are highly in favor of this. I took family and martial psychology as an upper level seminar course in university and this was a point strongly enforced for reasons I had to repeaT in a 20/pg research paper.

    Also. “other” in religion, 32% – that cuz of all the Hasidic Jews w 10 kids who don’t divorce? Either way got that in the bag.

    Reading this (and I am a sucker for stats so god bless, even though they are considered “useless” in may situations due to their ability to easily be manipulated in favor or against almost any argument) it seems I would have no chance of divorce except I’m old and slept w.. More than 1 person (hint it’s more than 5).

    Also, reading this I thought about a post I just wrote about growing up in a “happy home” w two parents in love. (didn’t stay together “for the kids”, or bc it was against religion or looked down on, they love each other). Aside that I was born 7 mos after marriage… They had it going. Being Russian is “Eurasian” we got some of that Tatar blood. In my entire extended family, a great uncle, my grandmother who not so much divorced but fled an abusive husband after 30 years gogeter and my dads first marriage (which he strongly opposed the demise of) were inly instances of divorce! I was raised as it “not being an option” which i very much adhere to as a belief.

    So my northern friend. The paradox of I. Having many if the key qualities of a non-divorcer

  6. (cut off), and key of high riske divorcee, what do you do?
    Follow your heart? Follow the stats YOU see as more fitting?

    Take the 20% bc I’m not a virgin and throw the rest away? Then there is something in public health called quality of life. See public health prof when compiling their stats to argue against big tabacco etc use their numbers in two ways. Epidemiological values of mortality AND (blanking on official term) quality of life. Like ok you drank contaminated run off water but ur alive we can keep the plant open but you’ve had 3 deformed kids, suffer from leukemia and all your hair fell out,

    Divorce is not an option. But these stats do not taken “happiness” quantify “success” in marriage. Two Christians can stay together bc it’s culturally the norm and live unhappily ever after.

    Where ate the stats for happy couples?

  7. Very low risk for me.

    That’s the thing…most men are very low risk for divorce. That’s why it used to be only men could initiate divorce. All the risk is on the woman’s side with all the incentives she gets.

    I’d still get married…but she is going to go through the hoops, not me.

  8. Oh man, I have missed Audacious lately. It’s been too long since I’ve seen her arguments that have nothing to do with the point and everything to do with herself. Hilarious.

    Don’t worry sweetheart. Your hamster will live. You’ll find some chump to marry you, have a kid with him, and seven years after marriage find that all these, ‘divorce isn’t an option’ things don’t stand up to the fact that you’re unhaaaaaaaaapy. Emotional abuse and all that. And there was that one time you threw something at him and he responded with force to your display of violence. Physical abuse! Kids in danger!

    Statistics and facts don’t lie. There are outliers, but they make the case, they don’t break it.

    Keep on hamsterbating.

  9. Lolzzzzolllozzz!

    I appreciate the information!

    I got a ton of work dumped on to me this weekend so I will be quick – from a cursory examination of the data, there do seem to be some demographics that do lower the odds of divorce to around 10-20%. However, a few key points:

    1.) How many women out there match all of these criteria? Not many, so only a lucky few men will be able to find such women. How many low earning, Christina Asian single women are out there in your neighborhood? Would her parents and family want her to marry a non-asian? Do your statistics cover cross-racial marriages?

    How many men will be able to meet the male criteria, such as earning a lot more than the wife…not that common in today’s economy.

    2.) Also, make sure you earn a lot more than her, don’t be poor

    Heh heh…no we see the crux of the matter…be a good little slave and she will be glad to keep you around. If she is sitting there eating bon-bons will you work 60 hrs a week keeping her in shoes, handbags, and a giant house, well of course she’ll stick around. A slave it a profitable thing to keep around, and she will as long as you keep her materialistic urges sated with your slavery. Anti proverbs 31 teaching here – man as slave, woman chilling and doing much easier work, if any at all…

    Anyway, wealth is a factor that can change in a heartbeat during your life, particularly in a poor, depression 2.0 economy. I thought that marriage was a sacred vow, for richer or for poorer. Guess not.

    Note: most of these probabilities are for not being divorced at the 20-year mark, some for the 10-year mark. So, some of the numbers may be higher over a lifetime, but I would estimate not overly much; likely not more than 5 points or so.

    Lolzzlol – this could be quite an important factor…without dealing with this issue your analysis is incomplete.

    However, people change over time and life has a way of creating unexpected turns in your path

    LOLZOLZZOLZO! Many of these factors (devout, relative earnings) could change quite quickly, pulling the rug out from under the whole arrangement.

    The Great Books For Men were uniformly very critical of women and at best could only encourage marriage in a society where men held all the cards, not one like the feminazi police states of today. By acting as white knights in the system, you are preventing Atlas from shrugging and your alimony and tax dollars will keep the matriarchal police state going. Good job!

    A 10% chance of divorce, even a 20% chance, while still higher than I’d like, is a risk I am willing to take.

    10-20% chance of your life being destroyed, you becoming a slave to the matriarchal police state, your daughters ending up on the stripper pole, and your sons in gangs and in prison. Hmmm…gotta like those odds. Russian roulette sucks…

    Plus, as you are a Christian: since marriage is supposed to be a sacred vow before God, how is participating in an environment where there is a meaningful chance (and the provision for it even considered) of that vow being broken even remotely righteous? Modern marriage looks nothing like the Biblical one – it is a total fraud that is an abomination before God – how do you justify a system where there is *any chance*,*any permission whatsoever* to break such a sacred vow, especially one in which you have to invest so much.

    Whew! That is enough for me for now…gotta get to work!

  10. leaper.

    guilty of talking about my sit. so are like 80% of the other commenters but I take it as a compliment that you are singling me out :)

    Hamsterbating… rationalizing…you predicting my future based on…?

    Many men of the sphere have dubbed me an outlier. They could be wrong, You could be, I could be. No need to be nasty about it.

    What gave you the idea I was at all violent btw?

    I have made comments, just not ones asking if bc of…. i gave a history, as others did.

    Who is this chap ill be marrying btw, id like to meet him. You know me better than i know myself! amazing! you are truly … wow.. skilled. genius really. to have such insight.

    rationalizing… i dont disagre with the article. i applaud it. (have you missed that, do you only read what you wanna then pick the parts you disagree w and turn them into personal attacks – not attacjs or rather, discussion about points made. If you have no desire to be a productive contributing part of the sphere totally up to you. Just dont see the point.

    And your psychic! Im a child abuser?! lol… where DO YOU GET THIS STUFF??? very vivid imagination my (non) friend ;)

  11. Thanks for the compliment.

    @ don: That would be a factor, but I have no idea how that would be statistically measured.

    @ Leap: The prized Asian catholic virgin demographic is rare indeed; they must know their own market value and will probably require a lot to obtain.

    @ AA: Leap already criticized your hamster, so that’s unnecessary. For myself, I wouldn’t marry you. The virgin thing is the single biggest factor there, so we can’t just “take it out”. As for the heart, it is “deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked,” so I’d trust the stats.

    Lot’s of people say, divorce is not an option, and I think it’s 99% or so of newlyweds who say they will never get divorced, yet we have a 40-50% divorce rate. What people say now and what they do ten years later are to different things.

    As for you, IIIRC from reading your blog a couple times, you’re rather attractive, although approaching the wall. If you really want marriage, focus find a nice blue pill beta male right now and marry him before you hit it; there’s plenty of guys who will fall for a pretty face and overlook a history.

    I also think you misread Leap there.

    @ lolz: 1) There are not many who match that demographic, that’s why men have to be very careful, and not all men looking will find a worthy wife. I think White-Asian marriages are usually pretty stable, but never really looked into it.

    2) The effect of household income is rather smalls: 5% or more at most, and most men still outearn their women, so that’s not too big of a deal. But there is some risk.

    3) As far as I can find, no one actually measures lifelong divorce risk, and even if they did it would be measuring greatest generation and older types, not those married since the sexual revolution really got going, so they’d be kind worthless. Divorce tapers off as life goes on though, most of the risk is in the first 7 or so years. There’s a small bump around retirement, but from what I understand very few marriages that last 20 years don’t go all the way.

    4) There was divorce in Moses’ day, and marriage was still encouraged. There was divorce in Jesus’ day and marriage was still encouraged. There was divorce in Paul’s day and Paul still encouraged it for those who burned with passion.

    God’s law is greater than the state. The state can do what it wants, God’s law for marriage supersedes it.

    I was not called to singleness, I am not capable of the sacrifices it requires (ie. no sex or lust) as I “burn with passion”. The abstinence Christian singleness requires is having strong negative psychological effects on me; I think the odds of life-ruining disaster are greater if I continue in singleness than if I get married; I do not see many good outcomes of abstaining.

    So I will follow God’s law for marriage. I will choose the best partner I can, then work with her and pray that she will do so as well. The options may not be great, but this is the least bad.

  12. @ Audacious

    You completely misunderstood my comment, in hilarious fashion. You, yourself, fall into many of the stereotypes of the average woman. From sex life to the point of claiming not to be average without any demonstrable proof. In fact, much of what you admit seems to reinforce that you are, on a whole, quiet average in your approach to relationships, sex, and marriage.

    So I extrapolated what the average woman does. She marries, has a kid or two, and divorces around the time of seven years because she’s unhaaaapy. She makes up claims of emotional and physical abuse in order to win cash prizes and custody.

    Before you go off kilter and take complete offense to my completely using you as a very blatant example of exactly the kind of hidden ‘nice girl’ that men should avoid, do some introspection.

    Why do you think you are special?

    Why do you think that any woman has views different than yourself on marriage? Never have I met one that didn’t, meaningfully, emotionally, and forcefully say that they believe marriage was for life and that they wanted a marriage like their grandparents. Yet, despite this, women saying exactly what you have said are divorcing their husbands. When such changes in opinion are common when they become expedient, why should we trust you or any other woman instead of the facts?

    Right now I would dub you only an outlier on the basis that you know the manosphere. Otherwise you seem to have a large love of attention, trolling, narcissism, and backwards rationalization in the demands that men like you and treat you like an angel.

    Which is condensed to hamsterbation. You like to hamsterbate because you like an emotional release. And I like feeding the trolls occasionally to show how trollish the average woman can be when it comes to her belief that she will be the special snowflake of a wife, without any demonstrable proof of such a claim.

  13. @free northerner. I guess thank you? It’s okay that you won’t marry me, I do not take offense nor would expect differently. Plus you want a Christian girl and that I am not – yet another reason people divorce or not marry – relious differences. Thank you for the advice. I will “look for this beta.” not sure where I should be looking exactly but ok. I will try and stay attractive.

    @Leap – wow. still swinging. A troll. You believe that really? Have you looked at my blog at all? A troll is someone instigates no? I literally saw this post of 3MM’s site and praised it. I do not know. I never claimed to be “better” or would make a “better.. anything”. I am flawed in ways I am still finding out day by day.

    What makes me special? What makes any woman special to any man? I think my best quality is loyalty. I say won’t divorce. Lie. If I was abused, if he killed, hurt our children – rampently cheated among other mortal sins I would divorce. You may not have heard woman say they would, but men do not speak to woman as they do to other women (loyalty as I see it – yes I, realized it was used, but this is how I judge a mans value as you have your crietera for women – can be assessed in the relationships already present in ones life and I have proven myself in that area). I have heard many times, “well if its doesnt work out then…” I find this manner of thinking different from mine but I do not judge (another pretty clutch quality of mine I would say).

    LOL – again if you read my blog you wuold know that being treated like a princess… man. no, i dont trust that. i am not faminiarl with that. it was not the environment I was raised in and wouldnt know what to do with it.

    Boy you make assumptions (as I did apparently in my first response).

    My hamstering days.. i havent been called that in a while now so I dont know what to say. I accept where I am in life, my options etc. it doesnt mean I always agree with everything said in the sphere or like it. But i understand it.

    I am not speacial. I am a regular woman who wants to have a family. A normal family. As for getting bored in 7 years. No, my history of my feelings towards men and the women in my life asserts I do not think this is a fate for me. I will remain single rather than marry a man that bores me even an inkling during our courtship.

    A family history and raised in the values of lasting marriage, awareness that it is an extemely difficult endeavor that requires contant work and maintenence, are these not indicators of not falling for the “7 year itch?”.

    But i am not expecting nor asking for your approval or hand in marriage. I have come to terms with my options and situation. Have you come to terms with that?

    What will you do when I am gone? Shut down is only 1 mos and 1 days away. Oh you will find another “hamster troll” to terroize no doubt :) have a great day my little leapster

  14. @ Audacious

    Sweetheart, I’ll always keep swinging ;)

    It’s what makes life fun, no?

    And yeah, I remember reading your blog a few times back when M3 was writing more profusely, along with Ashley’s. You both gave the impression that you’re the average american woman – someone I’d love to have a drink with, a good time with, and walk away from at the end of the night.

    I’m ok with your options. I don’t feel sorry for you, for the man that you find, or any happiness that you will build with him if you do find someone to marry.

    Also, I’d only claim you’re a troll on this particular topic. I’ve seen you rationally discuss other topics, but you and Ashley both get in a tiffy over this. If you were in my living room, drinking with me, I’d say you’re cute and refill both of our glasses of whiskey.

    I can be quiet charming in person. Having a more…. traditional and conservative bent while working in theatre required me to very quickly learn how to be the charming asshole.

    After you’re gone I’ll have to harass Ashley more often. I’m sure she’ll be thrilled ;)

    I’ll honestly say that it’s too bad you’re shutting down the blog. If you’re ever in Chicago, shoot me an email from my blog.

  15. I think the education factor is a little bit misleading as women with higher education are also known to marry at lower rates, marry later and are more likely to stay in relationships with high infelidelity to maintain lifestyle standards.

  16. There’s another problem for US statistics.

    The problem is that USA has a horrible way of categorizing the so-called “Hispanic” category. The original and true Hispanics are Spaniards (Southern Europeans), Mestizos (or mulattos) are just mixed (half-white) Spanish-speakers, whereas Amerindians are a different bunch too.

    In reality Central-South America had a caste system, with different types of certain mixtures, and last but not least pure Amerindians or Blacks were not regarded on the same level as a mixed (half white) person, which in turn wasn’t seen as fully (or predominately) European.

    I think Mexico has a huge number of Amerindians left (like 10-15%), compared to other Central-South American countries (on average it’s about 1-4% in general and as a whole per country there).

    So I think that it’s a huge mistake to place Amerindians from Mexico on the same plane as “Hispanic”. Those Amerindians have been isolated from the Spanish for centuries, don’t have European ancestry (or blood) and don’t speak Spanish.

  17. Note, I’m not talking about this post but about USA classifications concerning “Hispanics” in general.

  18. 1. Mark Flowers is a true dedicated Christian but a non denominational and non church going Christian, a praying man upon his knees and he gives all credit to his survival to a personal relationship with Jesus Christ as his savoir and protector of him and his loved ones. Mark has to continually break all curses in Jesus Christ’s name, sent by witch craft and the Satanic agenda.

    2. Mark Flowers is a fighter, a man that will never bow to any evil corruption, to DEATH.

    3. Mark Flowers has had the fatherhood of his children stolen by the masons / system / The Australian Government.

    4. Mark Flowers is a survivor of more than a decade of intense murderous Freemasonry Gang Stalking {a term he coined} and raised in the Federal Magistrates Court Parramatter Sydney Australia in 2009 & 2010 whilst defending his rights to father his children.

    5. Mark Flowers has had so many attempts on his life in the process of Freemasonry gangstalking that they are too numerous to list, most have been whilst driving in road traffic accident setups by gangstalkers . But all manner of threats have come against Mark Flowers, One time a sour mason wielding a hammer at Mark’s head got a lesson in respect and kicked off Mark’s property. The police always fail to follow such death threats against Mark Flowers.

    6. Mark Flowers has self-represented in some 60 appearances in the Federal Magistrates Court, the District Court and the Supreme Court in Australia and all with nil formal education, in fact Mark left school at 14 years and first job was in a lumber yard.

    7. Mark Flowers is a Father first, and a former children’s safety film producer, but the dogs of gangstalking were released on him for doing so. Mark has been fighting ever since and will never give in, as the eternity in spirit and fear of God through Christ Jesus motivates him to be fearless against evil.

    If I fall in this good fight it will be into the arms of my saviour Jesus Christ.

    Brother Mark

    http://www.markflowers.org/

  19. Given how miserable most married men appear, remaining married is not much of an indicator of success. Yes divorce is often the worse result of marriage, but it’s far from the only possibly bad outcome

    Of you’re going to marry, marry, but remember the other risks involved as well

  20. Quality post. Just confirms pretty much all of what the manosphere has reasoned out, and how cock-carousel-culture is destroying the social fabric of western countries.

    I see Mark Flowers made it through the comment filter here!

  21. There are not many who match that demographic, that’s why men have to be very careful, and not all men looking will find a worthy wife.

    ‘not all men’ is a significant understatement if your stats are on the money…

    I think White-Asian marriages are usually pretty stable, but never really looked into it.

    Again. a gaping hole in your argument…mixed race marriages are both rarer and less successful.

    I was not called to singleness, I am not capable of the sacrifices it requires (ie. no sex or lust) as I “burn with passion”. The abstinence Christian singleness requires is having strong negative psychological effects on me; I think the odds of life-ruining disaster are greater if I continue in singleness than if I get married; I do not see many good outcomes of abstaining.

    Yet another young man thinking with his little head as opposed to his big one. When you get a little older, your sex drive drops quite a bit and this isn’t even a fraction as difficult. Historically, not even a majority of men had children, including many who had major effects on history

    I too would love a wife and kids, but at least in modern feminazi america that is not a wise choice. How willing would you be to jump out of a plane if the parachute failed even 10-20% of the time…pretty darn hesitant I would hope.

    There’s several other arguments that I made both on the OP and this post that you never did address.

    There was divorce in Moses’ day, and marriage was still encouraged. There was divorce in Jesus’ day and marriage was still encouraged. There was divorce in Paul’s day and Paul still encouraged it for those who burned with passion.

    Fail. The marriage itself was on *very* different terms in a *very* different society and legal structure. Total apples to oranges comparison there. Proverbs 31 marriage vs modern male-as-sperm-bank-and-walking-wallet-marriage are *very* different.

  22. The options may not be great, but this is the least bad.

    Totally wrong on it’s face lzlzlzlololozzlo!

  23. Zlozllzllozllo!

    You sound a lot like Tucker Carlson referenced in the following Dalrock post!

    Lzlollzo

    Why a traditionalist man would go anywhere near modern marriage is mystery to me.

    God’s Law is indeed far greater than the state’s law…which is why you should not dishonor His Law by submitting to the state law which is counter to it!

  24. @Ton: I’ll have to research that at a later time, but my understanding is that those who are married successfully are happier than those not married and that most are satisfied with their marriages.

    @yousowould: He did. I let him through before I knew he was spamming everywhere.

    @alcest: Hispanic ‘ethnicity’ often does confound these kinds of things. The study did distinguish between US and foreign born Hispanics; I lumped them together though.

    @lolz:

    ‘not all men’ is a significant understatement if your stats are on the money…
    Most men just end up with a wife, rather than purposefully look for a worthy one. Once you eliminate the mass of those who end up there aimlessly the ratio is probably less skewed.

    Again. a gaping hole in your argument…mixed race marriages are both rarer and less successful.

    For most pairings, mixed race marriages have a much larger chance of failure, but for the specific white husband/Asian wife pairing is only 4% more likely to end in divorce than a white/white pairing. Also, that is not really central to my argument.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States#Asian_and_White

    Yet another young man thinking with his little head as opposed to his big one. When you get a little older, your sex drive drops quite a bit and this isn’t even a fraction as difficult. Historically, not even a majority of men had children, including many who had major effects on history

    If I was thinking with my little head, I’d be throwing my all into day game and be fucking sluts (and possibly prostitutes). I am thinking according to the Bible. Man is not meant to be alone and I am not called to singleness. I could wait out and masturbate through two decades until my sex drive drops, simply to avoid a bit of risk, but that seems like a wasteful and unChristian way to live.

    I am not a eunuch.

    “And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, s“Is it lawful to divorce one’s wife for any cause?” He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, u‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” They said to him, “Why then did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce and to send her away?” He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”

    The disciples said to him, “If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry.” 19:But he said to them, a“Not everyone can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it”

    http://www.esvbible.org/Matthew+19/

    How willing would you be to jump out of a plane if the parachute failed even 10-20% of the time…pretty darn hesitant I would hope.
    If the purpose were worth it I would.
    http://www.rakkasans.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=20&Itemid=37&lang=en

    There’s several other arguments that I made both on the OP and this post that you never did address.
    I must have missed them. Which were they?

    Fail. The marriage itself was on *very* different terms in a *very* different society and legal structure. Total apples to oranges comparison there.
    Roman divorce law at the time of Christ was almost as bad as our present laws.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_in_ancient_Rome#Divorce_from_Free_Marriage

    Jewish divorce was also perverted at the time of Jesus, but in favour of easy divorce for men rather than for women.
    http://www.wisereaction.org/ebooks/wenham_divorce_first.pdf

    Proverbs 31 marriage vs modern male-as-sperm-bank-and-walking-wallet-marriage are *very* different.
    Which is why my marriage will be a Proverbs 31 marriage, whatever the state may say.

    You sound a lot like Tucker Carlson referenced in the following Dalrock post!
    If you can not tell the difference between I write and what Tucker speaks, I think the fault is on you.

  25. zlozzllzo

    Even among “red-pill” women, add 10. Also, the number of supposedly ‘red-pill’ women advocating lying is disgusting. I’m especially disappointed with Sis, assuming it’s this Sis. I thought better of her.

    Even that ‘red pill woman’ whom you think you are marrying is only better than the slutz by a matter of degree, not quality! I saw this long ago – most of these red-pill chicks are realizing that feminism killed the golden goose that made men work hard as slaves to support them, and that they need to turn from that aforementioned brutal state-imposed control of the feminazi matriarchal police states into a more genteel and manipulative ‘man-up’ slavery. zlozzo.

    If you want to man up and marry a ‘red pill’ (.zozozozozl) slut than go ahead…some people learn by watching other people stick their hands in the fire…others simply need to do it themselves.

    In da words of da GBFM: lzlzozzlzozozozo womenez be womenzzn be womenz wheenevr you goz lzozozlzllzlz

  26. I wonder whether female-oriented blogs have articles, such as the above, advising as to how to avoid divorce? If they do, it can only be, Do Not Marry an Alpha Male.

    That men write such articles reveals how risky Marriage is for men – but not for women – and is thus best avoided.

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