By now you’ve probably heard about the fight between SSM and her supporters and Lena and LGR and their supporters. If you haven’t my two most recent Lightning Rounds have the just of it. Other than posting the links, I’ve stayed out of it, and I still plan to. This is a catfight, why would any man involve himself in unrelated women’s conflicts?
I won’t take a side, but I will point a few things out:
1) To those Christians fighting this, what kind of witness are you being?
There are six things that the LORD hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers. (Proverbs 6:16-19 ESV)
Christians should be unified and avoid division. Rivalries, dissensions, and divisions are the fruits of the flesh. If you have grievances, keep it in the church and follow the biblically-established procedure for settling intra-church conflict. Our dirty laundry shouldn’t be aired for every non-Christian to see and mock.
How is any non-Christian in the manosphere/DE reading of this supposed to take Christians seriously if we engage in petty bickering over, what exactly?
I still have no idea what the actual issue at hand is.
2) This, as with most internet drama, is generally pointless and fruitless.
Has anybody taking sides in this mess actually met any of these people?
I’ve been reading SSM since her first blog, we’ve e-mailed once or twice concerning stuff on my blog; she seems nice, and in what she writes I’d say she’s right enough about 90% of the time. I’ve been reading LGR since her Salt blog and she also seems mostly on point. I don’t know much of Lena, but I did read 7Man’s blog before it went out a couple years back and I think she had something to do with that. I’ve been reading Matt since his IMF days; often disagree, but he’s entertaining and has a unique take on things.
But I’ve never met any of them. They could all be liars; they could all be saints. I don’t know and you don’t know. Matt’s sum total of evidence is anonymous commentary from anti-Christian, feminist nutjobs and a random obituary. The only particularly damning piece of evidence is SSM’s comment threatening to contact CPS, which SSM says was not written by her.
So, essentially, the entire debacle boils down to the words of anonymous commenters I’ve never met versus the words of a semi-anonymous commenter I’ve never met.
I’m sure further debate of this would be fruitful.
3) This demonstrates why women must be quarantined out of the manosphere. There can be no manosphere women, only women adjacent to the manosphere. If you let women be apart of a male space drama happens.
4) I am staying out of the SSM/Lena/LGR fight, but I will ask of Matt Forney, what the hell?
Other than the CPS threat, your entire article is based on the unsourced claims of feminist crazies. I know you’re a self-described troll, but really? What’s the point? Why get involved in women’s bickering? Especially when the evidence is so pathetic?
This seems to be a low-point for your blog.
So, y’all should stop your bickering.
Your ‘Christians’ are our most important consumers.
Modern nations are full of false churches and false leaders, that’s why prior to his return, Christ wanted his servants to help reform religious or spiritual groups, or ways of worshipping (Rev. 2 – 3). This, along with re-establishing ‘the fathers with the sons’ (Malachi) were the priorities commanded us.
Not many Christian women write against feminism and also the apostate churchianity rife in America and the West. Meaning, not many women who claim to follow Christ and have websites are actually doing what he asked. The few who are, are precious to him.
Both these women have done works on their sites that will please Jeshua, as they help prepare his kingdom. This is good leadership of other females — helping females lead more Scriptural lives, and pointing out the falsenesses of many U.S. churches and “ministries.” But there’s a lot of work to do, and little time to do what we’ve been asked, so I hope these women put aside petty issues and dramas, and prioritize the Lord’s business.
I like to keep life simple so as a rule I pretty much never read any blog or comment by women in the manosphere … perhaps I’m missing some key insights but somehow I doubt it …
Men should ignore the squabbling of women. Becoming involved is beneath masculine dignity. Unless they are under your roof, then discipline all of them for disturbing your peace
Hmm, I’m guessing you didnt read Sunshine Mary’s response? …
She started screaming at MAtt & Luara Grace Robins as liberals & then started referring to herself as the uster mensch …
Sorry but her general treatment of men & anyone who disagree’s with her, is disgraceful
It also paints her as a genuine sociopath
For some reason LGR’s sites down, when it comes back up i’ll post the links to her post, I cant be bothered with SSM’s fake christianity site
The christosphere is literally filled with women like her
Sarahs daughter, elspeth, alte, the fake women & fake christian posturing, while they behave like outright bitchy secular folk, is unbelievable
The unthinking housewife is a prime example of just how male hating & secular these whackjob women folk really are
I would say, rather, that this is why the manosphere should be quarantined out of the company of serious reactionaries.
These beefs keep happening because they drive traffic.
We should start a fake feud, FreeNortherner. Like east coast west coast rap.
But flame each other for completely trollish reasons. For example, your site is black with white text. Is this because you have white guilt? Do you support the dwindling white birthrates? FreeNortherner is clearly a fake white, like a reverse Oreo.
This shit is why the xtian “man”osphere should be quarantined from the NORMAL manosphere. For fucks sake, you have written THREE POSTS about this shit already. Matt started it, but hes a fat-assed beta tool. I dont see normal men participating in this b/c its a catfight, dumbasses. Could you maybe stop writing post after post about it?
The xtian “men” like Will and Infowarrior are like a pair of fucking 8th grade girls running all over the manosphere gossiping and bitching and carrying on. I dont read the chicks sites but I tried to look at lgrobins site and shes shut it – wisely too given how she menstruated all over Forneys thread for three days. I cant even find this Lena person. ssm isnt posting anymore. The chicks have shut the hell up days ago, but the xtian men just keep going on and on and on.
Yeah I think we should stop posting about this. It’s getting repetitive.
This is not the first time SSM (who banned me) has gone into melt-down so I guess she will be back ere long.
FreeNortherner is clearly a fake white, like a reverse Oreo.
No, he’s actually an atheist. I have it on good authority, which I cannot reveal, that Free Northerner is a special agent for the U.S. Office of Religious Activities. He’s been assigned to compile dossiers on Fundamentalist Christians who are a threat to the American way of life.
‘WTF’ above is clearly this guy, ‘STFU’:
http://lgrisaliarandacoward.wordpress.com/2014/04/20/laura-grace-robins-is-a-liar-and-a-coward/
Exact same tone; exact same hostility to myself and infowarrior1…
I’ll bet even the same IP (which I happen to know).
He used to go by another name; I’m sure those of you who were around will recognize him by his tone; same schtick as ever…
I haven’t talked about the matter in days, but he’s still going on about me, as if he had something new to say. And despite infowarrior feeling guilty, as can be seen at that post, he’s still bashing him – infowarrior isn’t even posting any more, his blog is on temporary hiatus while he’s focusing on school, and he’s not been commenting anywhere since. But this little boy is still going on about him…
As for me, I’ve even ‘disappeared’ two posts about the involved parties, doing my part to try to help everyone ‘move on’. Seems people don’t want to. After all, discussing the damn thing = page hits, sure spiked ours, despite the minimal things said recently at ours, just linking Matt Forney’s piece… But, everyone loves drama…
As per Free Northerner’s question:
Yes.
And it was even discussed publicly at some point, for those who had been following it all.
But I’m not getting into it now, since, as I said, I’m done discussing this matter.
Let’s all move on, shall we?
‘WTF’ is ‘STFU’:
http://lgrisaliarandacoward.wordpress.com/2014/04/20/laura-grace-robins-is-a-liar-and-a-coward/
I think this illustrates the limits of what can be accomplished online. There are two things about internet politics that are at odds with each other. First, if anyone is going to say anything politically incorrect then it has to be said anonymously, under threat from social networks to target whomever with personal economic sanctions. Second, the ability to influence opinion is heavily determined by factors of credibility and social standing which can only be conveyed by transparency with regard to offline real life. You can get some good mileage out of pure argumentation but it lacks the human element that is necessary for trust.
WTF is clearly STFU, here:
http://lgrisaliarandacoward.wordpress.com/2014/04/20/laura-grace-robins-is-a-liar-and-a-coward/
And anyone who’s been around since 2011 will recognize who that is from the tone.
Yeah; I have met one of the participants.
Not getting into it.
Move on, folks. Stop picking at scabs.